How Much Lubegard Should I Use
JC220
🇮🇪 Resto Jedi 🔧OCD Zinc Plating Type
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WHATS BETTER THAN Another OIL THREAD THAN ANOTHER Serpent OIL THREAD 
Hi All,
Seeking opinions and experiences on this product:
Lubegards Dr Tranny Automatic Manual Instant Shudder Fixx A concentrated friction modifier formulated specifically for INSTANTLY eliminating torque converter lock-upwardly shudder Formally Dr Tranny! Provides 4x's less habiliment than regular ATF The original shudder prepare For use in ANY automated manual fluid. Not for use in Ford Blazon F or CVT applications Packaged in a uniquely engineered two ounce awarding tube Dr. Tranny® Instant Shudder Fixx™ is compatible with conventional or synthetic automatic transmission fluids. This formulation of friction modifiers made of synthetics and synthetic esters is full-bodied v times! Reviews appear very positive online. Full version of my proposed use for this to follow below:
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JC220
🇮🇪 Resto Jedi 🔧OCD Zinc Plating Type
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BW Post in W220 section FWIW:
My 144k odd mile 2003 S600 V12TT always had a foreign result in the year or so I've endemic it and have covered about 1k miles only. When driving along and coming up to a steeper grade / loma there is a soft judder or "cattle Griding" action felt in the driveline. Not a misfire more similar its transmission related. It only occurs at low to moderate throttle and when climbing a grade. At WOT the trans does not slip and it goes like a rocket This car was previously owned by an enthusiast here who took great intendance of information technology and the PO for the year prior to me buying it did also get it extensively serviced. I accept new engine and trans mounts in it. I accept not serviced the manual however myself. I wonder would it be wise to:
- Driblet Pan and inspect contents of filter too
- Drop Valve body and ultrasonic clean the internals to ensure no sludge is built upward.
- Fit new conductor plate and pilot bushing whilst in at that place
- Add pan magnet if none in there
- New Fuchs ATF to correct level
Annihilation else I might consider? Updated VB parts etc?
I accept Star - is there whatever live date might be worth checking first?
I have rebuilt 722.6s myself before and have 5x spare sitting there for parts My S600 has a mild melody past PO and then the trans maybe has had a hard life in his brief ownership. I generally look after information technology very well with simply occasional "tests" I ALSO NEED TO DRIVE Information technology AND DOUBLE CHECK FLUID LEVEL TOMORROW If I had to in Winter I could pull and refresh the box and get a rebuilt TC but would like to explore the basic servicing in motorcar first.
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JC220
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Also interested if anyone uses this stuff from Lubegard?
PLATINUM® Automatic Manual Fluid Protectant
Description
2 jobs → 1 solution - Use every bit a Conversion Additive to heighten base ATFs into OEM ATF equivalents. Simply add to the advisable base of operations ATF* (except CVT, DCT, and Ford Blazon F [1986 and earlier models]) to create a premium OEM ATF equivalent. This one product eliminates ATF confusion, requires minimal shelf space, and costs significantly less than OEM ATFs. Or, you tin can supplement your current ATF with Platinum to extend the life of the ATF and the transmission. LUBEGARD® High-Functioning Automatic Transmission Fluid Protectant is a full-bodied additive packet infused with superior seal conditioners and friction modifiers. This unique product restores additive content to used ATF and enhances new ATF resulting in improved performance and smoother, more than consistent shifting. It tin safely be added to any automatic manual fluid (ATF) including total High-Performance, semi Loftier-Functioning, conventional, and low viscosity fluids except CVT, DCT, or Ford Type F [1986 and earlier models]. LUBEGARD® Loftier-Performance Automatic Transmission Fluid Protectant is engineered to raise the thermal and oxidative stability level of automatic transmission fluids, so when it operates at elevated temperatures, it does non thin out and pyrolize, burn, or react with oxygen and class deposits. It is formulated with proprietary Liquid Wax Esters (LXE®) that are unique because of their natural lubricity, high viscosity index, and high flash and burn down points. They tin can withstand repeated heating to temperatures as high as 570°F. LXE® gives automatic transmission fluid the extra lubricity needed for transmission'south unique frictional requirements. They improve heat conductivity, suppress foaming and, consequently, reduce manual operating temperatures.
*Use the LUBEGARD® OEM & ATF Conversion chart for proper base ATF recommendations.
gsxr
.036 Hoonigan™, E500E Boffin, @DITOG
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I may have posted this elsewhere before, but...
... whatever transmission fluid magic potion is generally a "last resort" attempt to fix something without pulling the trans out of the car to repair it properly. If y'all are at the point where you have nix else to lose besides $10-$20 for the Mechanic in a Bottle, sure, give information technology a whirl!
- #5
A lot of folks swear by Trans-X. I hold, if it buys yous another 10K or so miles before the inevitable rebuild/swap so why non.
JC220
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Yes non much of annihilation to lose so I'll give the shudder finish additive a get first. This evening I will accept it for a drive and warm information technology upwards. And then check trans fluid level. After that, add together the additive and prepare fluid level correctly.
And drive it some to run across if the soft surging goes away. In any case I have ABC work planned, Unequal oil service and check flex discs. At same time I volition service the transmission and use the lubegard platinum additive every bit their recommended longer term treatment. Whilst I tin can rebuild the trans myself when the fourth dimension comes I'd rather put that off until next year since I have both w220s to prep for a wedding ceremony moved to November now. S430 requires extensive welding etc so lots to be getting on with.
I volition study back on these products shortly
gsxr
.036 Hoonigan™, E500E Boffin, @DITOG
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Joe, is there whatever chance what you are feeling is the torque converter lockup function? If then, information technology's possible to permanently disable this via valve body modification. I thought this only affected early on 722.6 but perhaps later on ones also had the issue. @Klink?
JC220
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- #9
Added this stuff tonight:
Took the S600 for its starting time drive in 9 weeks
To my amazement the problem it had before is 100% gone with this condiment. Non a whiff of surging even when I took it laps of the hills information technology used to do information technology on.
Couldn't find my 722.six dipstick tool and so will keep looking for that and confirm fluid level too.
Kyiv
1993 400E | Azov мой кумир!
gsxr
.036 Hoonigan™, E500E Boffin, @DITOG
- #11
I wonder if the magic goop is friction modifier.
JC220
🇮🇪 Resto Jedi 🔧OCD Zinc Plating Type
- #12
I wonder if the magic goop is friction modifier.
Aye I believe and then Dave, a little more than info here
JC220
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JC220
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I found information technology cheaper per L to purchase 20L of Fuchs ATF from Germany delivered
£6 / L Delivered from Frg VS £12 odd per L on ebay UK.
That volition take care of 3x cars. 10L of synthetic Diff oil coming too to service a few of em. #fleetlife 
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jhodg5ck
"Nit-Picky and, Bitter Mechanic"
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for .6'south with TC shudder that Lube Guard stuff is pretty spectacular. Most noteably on cars where the lock up clutch was damaged by glycol contamination that stuff Fixed it. Customers were Suuuuper happy vs having to rebuilt their TC and all that entails. Did these cars some 8+ years agone and they're still working Just fine.
Jono
gsxr
.036 Hoonigan™, E500E Boffin, @DITOG
- #16
IIRC, @Klink had some interesting input on the 722.6 lockup function. From vague retentivity, the lockup did practically nothing to help fuel economy, only caused other issues. Blocking the advisable piston/plunger in the VB permanently disabled the lockup, and was a reversible modification. But adding Lube Guard would exist lots easier.
JC220
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- #17
Thanks for the info Jono! Interesting that information technology also appears to work long term for some people that is good news indeed.
This is the canteen of what Lube gard say is their permanent solution for shudder issues. They also accept a red protective formula only this is the all singing all dancing one:
In a couple weeks I'll practise the full trans service in the S600, use this additive and it should be good.
I will also be getting some other bottle of this for my daily driver E220CDi with 226k miles. That car has a hard life, driven like a low flying aircraft every twenty-four hours and towing trailers etc. All original turbo and trans etc never had issues.
It volition go its second DIY trans service & flush at present. I did its first ane ever when I bought the car at nigh 160k miles. Unsurprisingly the OE fluid was blackness. I'chiliad a little agape that changing the ATF again on a high miler could lead to problem simply this friction modifier should reduce risk of issues and let it run on new fluid.
Fuchs Titan 3353 is a slap-up ATF for the 722.6 - noticable improvement right away in all my cars.
Kyiv
1993 400E | Azov мой кумир!
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@jhodg5ck, what other additives have you had a definitively positive experience at work? For ATF or engine oil
@JC220, What is wrong with the E220 that you want to use lubegard'due south "permanent" solution in its transmission.
Lastly, can anyone, however briefly, explicate WTF does Lubegard has in it that a regular ATF doesn't? Is just a viscosity thickener? ⁉
JC220
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@JC220, What is wrong with the E220 that you want to use lubegard's "permanent" solution in its transmission.
Lastly, can anyone, all the same briefly, explain WTF does Lubegard has in it that a regular ATF doesn't? Is just a viscosity thickener? ⁉
At that place is a risk that when you service a loftier mileage transmission it can outset to slip later. Possibly considering the erstwhile ATF had fine clutch material in it and was keeping it going.
And then I want to utilize it for that reason and at £fourteen delivered it doesn't interruption the banking company either. Information technology is also said to reduce clothing and extend the life of the transmission so why not.
Regarding the Instant Shudder Fix product itself - I noted it came out just like a blood-red ATF. Non a thick gooey slime or annihilation.
I believe it is a friction modifier whereby somehow it makes old, worn or glazed frictions to "bite" again. I could be wrong but hey- the stuff WERKS 
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jhodg5ck
"Nit-Picky and, Bitter Mechanic"
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@jhodg5ck, what other additives have you had a definitively positive experience at work? For ATF or engine oil
@JC220, What is wrong with the E220 that y'all want to use lubegard's "permanent" solution in its transmission.
Lastly, tin anyone, still briefly, explain WTF does Lubegard has in information technology that a regular ATF doesn't? Is just a viscosity thickener? ⁉
I take non Tried it notwithstanding but I few folks whom I respect have said skilful things well-nigh liquiMoly ceratec.
I've also had luck with Lucas engine life and transmission slip fix.... In instances where both were barely hanging on I've gotten 10000's of miles more than. Cheesy, but not everyone wants to drop five-20G to fix stuff
Jono
gsxr
.036 Hoonigan™, E500E Boffin, @DITOG
- #21
I don't think information technology makes the fluid thicker. I believe information technology'due south a friction modifier, making the fluid more slippery.
Note this cures an issue specific to the 722.6, with the clutches in the lockup torque converter causing "shudder" in certain driving weather (non during shift points) . On my .half-dozen boxes, I went with the @Klink method of disabling the lockup function. Same consequence, merely without additives.
Equally Jono mentioned, for a worn-out trans that is slipping on upshifts, there are some additives which can assistance limp it along, only that'southward all you lot'll become on those - extended life (but without improved quality of life) - not a cure.
Kyiv
1993 400E | Azov мой кумир!
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@JC220, Joe, you lot take to write a mini-essay on your experience with Ceratek. Many will read it with interest
Kyiv
1993 400E | Azov мой кумир!
- #23
@JC220, I sincerely mean it. Many would be interested in YOUR experience and observations with Ceratec
LWB250
"Then the pie isn't perfect? Cut it into wedges."
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How can one tell that this stuff is having any effect, other than maybe by fuel consumption or butt dyno? I'm but curious. I'g not suggesting it'due south snake oil, but I'grand genuinely interested in how one would decide there's value in using it.
Dan
JC220
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Yeah I did put i.75 bottles or and so of Ceratec into my m275 per dosing instructions.
I "call up" the engine is a little smoother and quieter mail treatment and driving a couple hundred miles merely it was already smooth and quiet so very hard to quantify that touch.
The m275 is a very thirsty engine anyway but I practise see a small lift in MPG if I drive it ordinarily. (WOT is gauge drop fourth dimension!) I believe MPG went up by 3 or 4 to a whopping 25 or so on long trips. I dont drive the S600 plenty to truly know its MPG habits.
How can one tell that this stuff is having whatever effect, other than maybe by fuel consumption or butt dyno? I'k but curious. I'm non suggesting it's ophidian oil, just I'k genuinely interested in how one would determine there's value in using it.
Dan
Exactly this!!
Which Is why I didnt actually comment on it before. Whilst I hope information technology is doing something useful its very difficult for me to tell for certain. The m275 is my most powerful and complex engine so it kind of made sense for me to try it in there first.
Withal the toll of the product is quite loftier for an additive and without trying it on a vehicle I drive alot more it is again very hard for me to tell you guys definitively that it had palatable benefits.
It "should" last in the m275 beyond the next oil change in a year or so (still only 3k max miles on the new height synthetic oil by so) and reduce wear and friction if you lot believe the packaging of Ceratec.
Will I use it over again? I'd say NO. Information technology'southward besides expensive to add together that into my regular servicing of my cars. I already haemorrhage £££ on oil, filters and parts each month maintaining my cars and so that was kind of a one off treat / trial on my S600.
jhodg5ck
"Nit-Picky and, Bitter Mechanic"
- #26
Young man I spoke with who races on it commented his temps were consistently lower and his filters looked "improve" after X number of hours... This was on an E36 m3 that he ran in scca/nasa/fourth dimension attack.
gsxr
.036 Hoonigan™, E500E Boffin, @DITOG
- #27
I had to look up Cera Tec... never heard of it before. It'due south designed for engine oil and manual transmissions, not automatics trannies. Looks similar it may help reduce wear and internal friction:
Cera Tec
Micro ceramic solid lubricant suspension based on hexagonal boron nitride (BN) in selected base oils. The laminar graphite-similar structure reduces friction and wear and prevents direct metal-to-metal contact. The < 0.5 µm particle size guarantees opt
products.liqui-moly.com
LWB250
"So the pie isn't perfect? Cutting information technology into wedges."
- #28
Beginning of all, do understand that I'm not questioning anyone here, merely trying to get to something that definitely identifies the benefits, if any, of using an additive similar this.
Note that Jono'due south data is from someone who races, so they're clearly putting their machine/engine nether much higher stresses and conditions that we as normal drivers would be doing. Their observation of filters is purely subjective. What makes a filter look "meliorate"? How would something like this translate into a normal consumer'south machine? Or would it?
I guess I just want to know how $30 of something dumped into my engine is going to benefit me and the engine? Or will I exist able to tell?
-D
gsxr
.036 Hoonigan™, E500E Boffin, @DITOG
- #29
Dan... my $0.02 is that for normal street use, these types of additives likely have no discernible outcome, bold the oil+filter are changed at appropriate intervals for the usage and oil type.
For either racing OR severe service, additives like this could make a difference. For the M3 racecar with lower temps, I'd similar to know how much lower, oil or coolant or both, and what blazon of oil was in use. Filters "looking better" is kinda useless IMO unless previously the elements were total of metallic shavings.
jhodg5ck
"Nit-Picky and, Biting Mechanic"
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His comment was along the lines of not as gross/blackness/cooked..which I suspect is from things non getting as Hot..his gauge isn't the most graded matter in the planet, only cool enough where he noted a difference. TWYW..
. I haven't played with it yeah but I have two containers sitting here from my LM guy
LWB250
"And then the pie isn't perfect? Cut information technology into wedges."
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Other than making you $30 poorer - that would be a discernible effect.
Dan
JC220
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- #32
Got my first example of ATF for a fleet service rolling out this winter.
First case as in I'll require 3x I believe but slightly different brews of Fuchs too.
And 10L of Synthetic Diff Oil to begin which I believe is AOK for the 124s and 140s at least
10L of ABC fluid too for ane rodeo on my S600.
And some other 10 gallon of antifreeze to beginning - will crave 20 or xxx gallon of that too. Some cars were already changed but I want all cars with fresh antifreeze.
Fortunately I will not require whatsoever engine oil changes this winter since all cars have new Constructed Oil change within the past 500miles.
And all of them accept new spark plugs within the concluding 500 miles. (I'd demand at or over 100x spark plugs for a full service)
This excludes all other filters which are also new in my cars. Air, oil, pollen & fuel. Never ending task only secretly I bask it
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Kyiv
1993 400E | Azov мой кумир!
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Somehow, I know yous're not part of United kingdom'due south Light-green political party electorate 
JC220
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- #34
Somehow, I know you're non part of U.k.'due south Green party electorate
Absolutely not! 
I am a bang-up advocate of V8 & V12s only 
gsxr
.036 Hoonigan™, E500E Boffin, @DITOG
- #35
FYI. If any of your differentials take the manufacturing plant sealant for the rear cover (blueish Hylomar), after 1-2 years the synthetic gear oil may sneak by the Hylomar. Took me a while to figure this out... the cure is using the OE "blackness" super sealant, or Permatex Correct Stuff, or equivalent. Otherwise, yup, that stuff is fine for not-LSD/ASD/4MATIC diffs in the 124/129/140.
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